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PostPosted: Mon Apr 05, 2010 11:25 pm 
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I was wondering, does the HS-5755MG fit into your quarter scale brackets? Have you tried those?

Thanks for your help.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 06, 2010 9:46 am 
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georgeecollins wrote:
I was wondering, does the HS-5755MG fit into your quarter scale brackets? Have you tried those?

Thanks for your help.

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The servos fit the ASB-201 brackets, but we don't have "C" brackets that fit the servo horn. We may make a special bracket for it. Not sure yet.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 07, 2010 11:17 pm 
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Thanks. I have had great success with the HS-755MG in your brackets, they seem strong and durable. The narrow part of the bracket that folds over the servo screws have bent in some cases, but probably due to forces greater than from the HS-755MG that they are designed for-- a Robotzone servo pushes down on it at a funny angle. Your quarter scale brackets might have some weakness with a stronger servo. But they are great and I am sure they work great whenever they are used the way they were designed to be used.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 11, 2011 4:16 pm 
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KM6VV wrote:
This could also be a problem in the servo hinge. Possibly the same thin nut could work here? I really don't like loosing the threads. a thin shim piece on top of the universal brackets might be preferable.

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Regarding this, I've just got my first Lynxmotion parts arrive today for a new project i'm working on.
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I was intending on ordering hs485hb's to fit in these, but measuring the gap (from servo horn tip to foam pad in hinge) only 4.3cm is available. Looking at the dimensions of the 485 on hitec's website the size (from servo horn tip to servo base) is 4.5cm.

Anybody got any suggestions of how to get the extra mm back? Or have people tried these servos in this setup (like on the Scout) and found there to be no problem?

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 11, 2011 4:43 pm 
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Don't forget the thickness of the attachment foam pad.

I'm wondering if the servo horn could be milled down?

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 11, 2011 4:48 pm 
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I ended up ordering a bunch of thin hex nuts from mcmaster.com , and there's still some space left and nothing binds up, the part number you need for it at Mcmaster is 90695A033.


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Are you meaning that you replaced the nut inside the servo hinge, or are you referring to the origional problem with the multi-purpose bracket?

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 12, 2011 11:03 am 
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Those are the same nuts we include with the 485 servos. The idea is to use them inside the ASB-04 and has nothing to do with the problem at hand. These servo hinges will not work with the 485 servos. We are adding this information to the website. If you can locate some double sided tape that is much thinner it should work though.

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 12, 2011 11:24 pm 
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I recently started building the phoenix and have the same issue.

Assuming the nuts that just shipped with my order are the correct ones, I tried the solution posted here and believe this to not be viable. There is still too much gap and if tightened it with surly be in compression and an opportunity to break. But even so I can not close the gap. Maybe I do not have the correct "thinner" nuts???

Perhaps there is a counter sink screw that can be used instead... Or a spacer... A counter sink screw head would be the only solution that keeps the horn at the exact same location as intended and perhaps programmed into kinematics...


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 13, 2011 10:52 am 
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Alamo wrote:
I recently started building the phoenix and have the same issue.

Assuming the nuts that just shipped with my order are the correct ones, I tried the solution posted here and believe this to not be viable. There is still too much gap and if tightened it with surly be in compression and an opportunity to break. But even so I can not close the gap. Maybe I do not have the correct "thinner" nuts???


If you got the Phoenix from us, with servos, the you should have received the thinner nuts, packaged in the 485 servo boxes. If you got the Phoenix without servos, and sourced them yourself, then you do not have the thinner nuts. Another option is to install the bearing with the screw installed from the bracket side, I.e. the screw head is on the inside , and the nut is on the outside.

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Perhaps there is a counter sink screw that can be used instead... Or a spacer... A counter sink screw head would be the only solution that keeps the horn at the exact same location as intended and perhaps programmed into kinematics...


Countersunk screw head? maybe... but you lost me on the IK part. ;)

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I think he's suggesting that adding a spacer under the flanges of the R/C servo would change the centering (or possibly length of a leg?) of the tibia, which would necessitate a modification of the IK calculations.

I think probably not. The thickness of the spacer would be trivial, and we don't account for any leg offset (shouldn't be any) from the centerline of the coxa that I can see. I doubt if you could even determine the effect of having a slight (0.03125", 1/32 maybe?) offset against the total length of the leg. Try it!

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 13, 2011 10:19 pm 
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Robot Dude wrote:
If you got the Phoenix from us, with servos, the you should have received the thinner nuts, packaged in the 485 servo boxes. If you got the Phoenix without servos, and sourced them yourself, then you do not have the thinner nuts. Another option is to install the bearing with the screw installed from the bracket side, I.e. the screw head is on the inside , and the nut is on the outside.


I did get the whole kit from you. It was on hold waiting for back ordered servos, so I assume when they came in they went straight into the my order without the thinner nuts... No worries...I'll go down to the HW store and get some 3mm x 8mm Flat head screws and use the screw head on the inside. I kind of like the idea of zero interference with the bracket/screw.

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Countersunk screw head? maybe... but you lost me on the IK part. ;)


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I think he's suggesting that adding a spacer under the flanges of the R/C servo would change the centering (or possibly length of a leg?) of the tibia, which would necessitate a modification of the IK calculations.

I think probably not. The thickness of the spacer would be trivial, and we don't account for any leg offset (shouldn't be any) from the centerline of the coxa that I can see. I doubt if you could even determine the effect of having a slight (0.03125", 1/32 maybe?) offset against the total length of the leg. Try it!

Alan KM6VV


Yes this is what I meant... You are correct that it probably won't make a difference really (particularly for this project)... I'm new to this scene, but the engineer in me has a tendency to over think things. I suppose if you had a program where the robot used a pen or stylus then you might have a problem sharing it without modifying the IK calculations...

Cool robot! I'm in it for the knowledge and hope to use it to put legs on an idea I have...


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Yeah, I'm an engineer, and guilty of over-thinking projects as well! Something to do on those long drives over the hill to and from work!

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Yes this is what I meant... You are correct that it probably won't make a difference really (particularly for this project)... I'm new to this scene, but the engineer in me has a tendency to over think things. I suppose if you had a program where the robot used a pen or stylus then you might have a problem sharing it without modifying the IK calculations...

Cool robot! I'm in it for the knowledge and hope to use it to put legs on an idea I have...

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Alamo wrote:
I did get the whole kit from you. It was on hold waiting for back ordered servos, so I assume when they came in they went straight into the my order without the thinner nuts...


You must have purchased from Trossen or Robot Shop. They must have purchased the kit from us without servos and packaged it themselves. We have never had the Phoenix out of stock for servos, and we have never left the nuts out of the 485 servos. We make mistakes, but we have never made that mistake.

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KM6VV wrote:
You must have purchased from Trossen or Robot Shop. They must have purchased the kit from us without servos and packaged it themselves. We have never had the Phoenix out of stock for servos, and we have never left the nuts out of the 485 servos. We make mistakes, but we have never made that mistake.


Oh that's right... it was from trossen... Maybe they should become informed...Thanks


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